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G Gauge, G scale; I’m all confused???


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This can be a confusing topic and frankly, most of the confusion is brought about by people who do not understand the relationship between Scale and Gauge and then use them incorrectly. So from all my research, here is how a very clear topic became so catawampus that even many train dealers don’t really understand what they are saying and use the words scale and gauge incorrectly.

First I will cover what should bring no arguments; because there is nothing to disagree about.

Scale: Is a proportion from the original size. The prototype, often abbreviated as proto, a real locomotive.

Gauge: The distance between the insides of the rails. For “Standard Gauge†in the US, the proto distance would be 4’ 8.5†or 1435.1mm

From here, everything starts to get a little muddy because you are dealing with the first element of confusion; two standards. One from Europe (where the first working steam locomotive was built and many of the large scale trains were conceived), NEM (Normal European Modelling) and the second from the US, NMRA (National Model Railroad Association) who doesn’t seem to like large scale trains.

It appears that rather than saying the scale of the model you wanted (like 1:87.1) is was much easier to say and remember letters (like HO). So for a 1:64 scale (3/16†= 1’) train, they decided to call that “S†scale. For 1:48 scale (1/4†= 1’) they decided to call that “O†Scale (see Note 1). For 1:87.1 (3.5mm = 1’) they decided to call that HO (half O scale) (See Note 2). And for my beloved MTH 1:32 Scale (3/8†= 1’) they decided to call that “1†scale.

Note 1: The second element of confusion is that some letter designations (like O scale) have different scales sizes in different countries. (Somewhat like “G†but different) In Great Britain and France; it is 1:43.5. In Germany, Japan, Russia, Czech it is 1:45. In the US it is 1:48 scale.

Interestingly, O scale was originally called “0†Zero Scale (1 – 10 were larger scales already in use in Europe), because 0 (aka. O) was a step down in size from 1 scale (My beloved MTH) they called it zero scale. From the 1920s until after World War II, 0 scale dominated the model train market. But as model trains became more affordable for the average person, the space required to set up the tracks became a major consideration in purchasing model railroad trains so sizes (scales) got smaller. It is easy to see how the Zero scale morphed to O scale because it happens today when people say their ZIP code which is all numbers; like 17078. Instead of saying One Seven Zero Seven Eight they will frequently say One Seven Oh Seven Eight. The third element of confusion; is it a letter or a number???

Note 2: Although the HO nomenclature was meant to be half of the O scale, because the size originated in Europe, the metric system did not successfully become exactly one half of O. The fourth element of confusion; combining English and Metric measurements.

Now comes the fifth element of confusion; people calling a gauge by the scale name because of the standard prototypical relationship. People with track that has a gauge of 31.8mm (1.25â€) started to say I have O gauge track. What they really mean is that 1.25†track is the gauge that O scale reflects when wanting to make a “standard†railroad (not narrow gauge). The sixth element of confusion comes when you use that same 1.25†track for models in Europe that call there models: 16mm scale (actually 1.19.05 scale) or Fn3 scale (Actually 120.3 scale) or Scale 7 (actually 1.43.5 scale) ARE YOU REALLY CONFUSED NOW? Wait, it gets worse!

The seventh element of confusion. The model railroad community is mixing and matching different scales with different gauges to replicate narrow gauge railroads faster than girls mix and match their clothes. You’ll read more on this later.

Now, to the heart of the matter, and my eighth element of confusion; “G†or large scale. There are several accounts as to what “G†stands for. Some say it is from the Note 3: This link states that 1 scale was also a US scale. https://support.modeltrainstuff.com/hc/en-us/articles/202970203-What-are-the-different-Gauges-and-Scales-What-do-they-mean-

Because people quite often mix and match terms without a great understanding of the words they use, the 45mm track is most often referred to as 1 gauge. But as you know, they use the same track associated with 1 scale (1 Gauge / 45mm) to operate all the other large scale trains. Did you know that for LGB (1:22.5 scale), the “standard†gauge track for that scale is actually 3 gauge track which is 63.5mm. However, in the US, they use 1 gauge track for all large scales (except 1:32 scale) to replicate a narrow gauge railroad. In the case of LGB, its proto would be operating on 40†track. Aristocraft’s 1:29 scale, for standard gauge, is best suited for 2 gauge track 50.8mm.

“So Larry, if 1 gauge track got its name from being associated with 1 scale trains (the scale of 1:32); can you really call it 1 gauge track when it is track that is being used by a 1:22.5 train?" I say, "Call it what you want, but if my cat had kittens in the oven I won’t be calling them biscuits!†(Meaning it should no longer be called one gauge track when it is being used by any train that is not 1 scale / 1:32 scale)

As you can see, it is very confusing when people talk about model trains; especially when mixing and matching scales and gauges.

In conclusion, there is no “one†scale named G; just a bunch of large scales that fit into a category that people call “G.†And I find it hard to accept we should still call a track width by the scale name it was associated with (1 scale) when you are using it with another scale…it should just be called 45mm gauge track.

Remember, although your trains may fall into the G category; not all G category trains are 1:32 scale, or 1:29 scale or 1:22.5 scale.

Comment: Mike’s Train House (MTH) refers to their 1:32 product line as “Railking One Gauge†trains. From a technical standpoint, this is incorrect as they sell 1:32 scale trains (1 scale); not track associated with that scale commonly referred to as 1 gauge. In easier terms (?), they are calling their 1:32 train by a term used for distance (gauge) versus what a 1:32 proportion is called; “scale.â€

Want to get an idea of how convoluted model railroading has become with the

scale/gauge relationship? Check out the links below:

Larry G.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rail_transport_modelling_scales

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_rail_transport_modelling_scale_standards

http://www.numericana.com/answer/rail.htm#lines

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“But Larry, are you going to start saying G category instead of G scale or 45mm track instead of 1 gauge track?â€

 

I guess it depends with whom I am speaking. If it is with someone who likes to “get down into the weeds†as we sometimes call it during the discussion; probably yes. If it is with most other people; probably not.

 

Why you might ask? Because when I have tried to explain the relationship between scale and gauge to other people, including dealers, they look at me like I have a horn growing out the side of my head. I have also found that when people hear information contrary to what they believe, they tend not to be open minded and evaluate the information for its value; just who it came from. Which in their mind it usually means they are right; I am wrong. (sigh)

 

PS: For me I will always say 1 gauge when talking about track because I only run 1:32 trains. J

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Explaining the scale issue is sooooo much fun!

Because we also have modelers who insist that everything they make must be "to scale". They try to made exact replicas of the trains they model. They try to get every last detail in the models with exact sale distances between rivets, etc. One takes a vernier calipers to a real locomotive and measures the width of the rivet heads. then the do some math and arrive at the exact diameter of the rivet head in their scale. Next they try to find existing rivets that are commercially available that match the diameter of the rivet head they seek. Once they find it they can happily rivet the model to their hearts content. Guys  like this are called "Fine Scale Modelers". One finds many of them making static plastic model airplanes, tanks and ships happily measuring and doing math and arguing with other FSModelers.   Years ago in the USA, starting in the 1930's I believe, we had them in "O" gauge. You see 1.25 inch is not the exact gauge in 1/48 scale of US railroad track. Nosireebob! The gauge of track in the USA is 4 feet 8 1/2 inches. That in 1/48 scale is exactly, (convert that to inches by multiplying 4 feet by 12 = 48 plus 8.5 inches gives you 56.5 inches. Then divide that by 12 =)  1.17708 inches as the true gauge of O scale track.  Is your brain starting to hurt yet? What to do?, what to do? We cannot change the O track from 1.25 to 1.17708 inches because then we would have to change all the wheel sets and that would be expensive as all get out especially in the locomotives. Remember this was during the economic depression of the 1930's and people did not have that much money to waste, or any money at that. Comes logic to the rescue. If you cannot raise the bridge, lower the river.  So the size of all the train cars and locomotives were changed to match the increase in track gauge. This is 17/64 scale instead of 1/48 scale and was called "Q" scale. So the fine scale modelers of yesteryear scaled up all their model trains or took up golf.  Golf was quite satisfying as one could swing one's club at a tree while screaming, wrapping it around the unoffensive large plant and relieving the tension. Or just throw one's clubs in the pond.  Now we know why the American male loves to drink hard liquor of 70 to 90 proof. I had some of these Q scale models years ago. but I got rid of all of it when I switched  to G gauge or G scale, or... Gee whiz I'm confused. 

By the way, O scale came from England where it was 7mm to the foot and used a track gauge of 1.25 inches.  In the U.S. it was 1/4" to the foot or 1:48, but the track gauge was not changed. In England they have OO gauge which is 4mm to the foot and in the USA we have HO which is Half O (3.5mm).

But G is much easier to live with. "G" scales range from 1/35 (well, at least in my world) up through 1/32, 1/29, 1/25, 1/24, 1/22.5, 1/20.32 (also called F gauge) and now some larger ones, even.

So how does one reconcile running all these different sizes on one model railroad layout?. Simple. We apply the Three Foot Rule. If the train in question looks good from three feet away then it is in scale. 

I shall now partake of some brandy and go to bed, My brain hurts.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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