Tom51 Posted November 26, 2015 Share Posted November 26, 2015 does the 1:32 scale MTH Big Boy look ok hauling 1:29 and !:24 cars, is it that big a difference? I have 2 Aristo Mallett's on my layout as well as an aristo Pacific. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayman4449 Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 It depends on kinds of cars you are running and the personal perspective. When I was making the decision on what to buy I wanted coal cars for my big boy train and wanted a lot of them. Because I wanted so many cost was a factor and ended up with the Bachmann coal hoppers (which are even larger than 1:29 and are 1:24 or 1:20 dont recall off-hand) and liked the overall look, size and price. I also liked these hopper cars because I felt they looked good with my 1:29 scale Aristocraft Dash-9s: Another rolling stock I run is the Aristocraft Heavyweight which is supposed to be 1:29 (some argue it is somewhere between 1:29 and 1:32) but are my favorite set with my MTH Challenger and think they look great: If you were to get some 1:29 scale box cars I think depending on the car they can look a little big behind a 1:32 Big Boy and vice versa. So from what I've seen it really depends on the car and design. Raymond Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Miller Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 all engines are 1/32 MTH and all freight cars are Arisro 1/29. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Miller Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 I place smallish cars just after the engine, such small tank cars, gondola, or flat car, then start placing hopper cars and then box cars. The Aristo 2 bay hoppers look great.........Jim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom51 Posted November 27, 2015 Author Share Posted November 27, 2015 I have a lot of aristo and USA cars including 4 heavyweights to run with my Pacific. from what I see all should be ok. I am looking hard at the new MTH BB to buy. Need to discuss with Ray and others if it will run on my setup, running track power between 18-20 volts with crest revolution if possible to match my other 3. thanks for all your advise, all is appreciated tom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 RaymondHow could you .. why is this not black? At least make it look not so clean! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayman4449 Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 I have a lot of aristo and USA cars including 4 heavyweights to run with my Pacific. from what I see all should be ok. I am looking hard at the new MTH BB to buy. Need to discuss with Ray and others if it will run on my setup, running track power between 18-20 volts with crest revolution if possible to match my other 3. thanks for all your advise, all is appreciated tom Should be no reason why you won't be able to run the MTH BB with Protosound under DCS with the Crest revolution at the same time. Sean: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 Yours could look like this one! Talk to our friend Jerry : http://largescalecentral.com/forums/topic/24477/mth-dash-8-weathering Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry B44 Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 I just sold off the last of my 1/29 cars. I use mostly MDC, MTH and Accucraft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enginear joe Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 If I sold off my 1/29 scale stuff, I'd lose half. I want all 1/32 but it has not been made. I would like modern 1/32 scale only. Because there is so little modern available, I bought all the other stuff that I passed on in the first place. I just ordered more 1/29 scale AML Bethgons. I like how they look. I'm going to run them behind my 1/32 Dash 8s. I would have preferred 1/32 scale but Accucraft chose to go after what's popular I guess? (w/ AML line up) If it weren't for a lot of the offerings by Aristo, AML, and USA, I probably would have left G scale. So I mix them all to get what I want to run. If MTH would have released Premier line cars in 1/32, I would have bought them all, and maybe nothing else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry B44 Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 I came to MTH sort of late. Got a good deal on a Hudson and the controls and got hooked on the detail/sound/smoke. Been picking up the engines as I can. Just bought a MDC reefer, nice color on it. I like the looks of the 1/32 scale on my small layout, a long train does not overpower and looks nice, I think. Plus all the engines are small enough to carry. I had an Aristo dash 9 I could hardly carry, sold it back to Marty Cozad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enginear joe Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 Ray, does the MTH BB and the Challenger have the same drawbar pulling force? (does the BB pull more?) Are they close in weight? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enginear joe Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 Jerry, did you body mount those KD couplers to that Dash 8? Did you cut the trucks? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayman4449 Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 Out of the box the Challenger does not have the same pulling force and is lighter than the the Big boy. The Challenger and the Hudson were MTH's very first steam models that they produced and MTH used plastic body/boiler and plastic frame (with weights) for the Challenger design. The Challenger did not have any sort of suspension between the front of the boiler transferring weight to the front engine set so as a result the front engine set will lose traction fairly easily. (This is why I have weight transfer suspension and weight addition modifications on my Challenger Modification pages.) So because the front engine set doesn't have enough weight on it(and thus loses traction) the engines's overall pulling force is reduced. Even stock the engine can still pull a good deal of weight, but once you add a front suspension and some weight to the front it pulls very strong. The Big Boy came later and reflected lessons learned with the Challenger. The Big Boy has solid metal die cast drivers, all diecast metal frames (front and rear engine sets) and had a weight transfer suspension between the front of the boiler and the front engine set. The die cast frames alone added a significant amount of weight to both engine sets and most importantly the front engine set which as a result of the die cast construction can pull very strong. Pull force comparisons: (On stainless steel track) MTH Big Boy: Pulls about 7.5lbs avg pull force (Has traction tires) MTH Challenger: Don't recall exactly for stock numbers but it's close/same as the Big boy with added weight and suspension added. (Has traction tires) Aristocraft Dash-9: ~5lbs (two weights) (Model does not have traction tires) Aristocraft Mallet: ~3.5lbs stock weight (Model does not have traction tires) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enginear joe Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 Thanks Ray! I saw the numbers posted on your website. I didn't see anything for the Challengers. I have several of them. This will be my first BB though. I modified my first Challenger way back when I first saw your pages. Just adding a spring made a big difference. I believe the front (engine) used to just spin and not pull much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry B44 Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 I got my dash 8 used(as all my MTH engines). It did not come with the parts to fix the front so it did not pivot with the trucks. I cut that off, I think, and screwed it to the frame and mounted a Kadee820 to that. On the rear truck I mounted a 820 to the truck, so it is not body mount. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom51 Posted December 19, 2015 Author Share Posted December 19, 2015 I bit the bullet and ordered one thru Ray. cant wait to get one. called MTH and they said production has not started but the BIG BOY is one the schedule, whatever that means.. Looked at some MTH triplexes and with aristo cars it does not look bad to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom51 Posted December 19, 2015 Author Share Posted December 19, 2015 Received and e mail from MTH yesterday and they indicated the BiG BOY should be shipping out late winter or early spring 2016. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry B44 Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 Way ahead of Ray's schedule, but he's seen this before, so he may sadly be right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
du-bousquetaire Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 I came to modeling US railroads late and wanted to use live steam locos, so I started out in 1/32 and stuck to it. I guess it's easier for me because of that late start, as a matter of fact MTH triggered it as I had wanted a GG 1 since a long time as it was one of the only mythical american engine which I had known in regular revenue service. What really gets me mad is not that much people who mix 1/32 with 1/29, I can understand that since there was so much 1/29 the stuff around all these years, what I really find shocking is people who mix in their trains 1/32nd, 1/29th scale and narrow gauge cars in 1/24th or 1/22nd scale in the same train. You see a lot of that on You tube and it is quite shocking as the narrow gauge cars were built quite differently from standard gauge cars and an experienced eye picks it off immediately, spoils the show for me. Real narrow gauge railroads like the D&RGW and the EBT ran standard gauge cars with narrow gauge (the first on three rail trackage the other by changing the trucks on the cars) but that was all in the same scale, not a "mixed scale" train. But frankly try putting an Aristocraft heavyweight behind an MTH GG 1 and you would be surprise at the scale and size diference in both height and width. I guess with the huge tenders on UP articulateds it doesn't show that much but on an ordinary engine, brother, it show up all right! Don't forget those two locos were monsters. And of course there is the important argument that 1/32 is the correct scale to gauge ratio for standard gauge. Of course this is just how I feel about this I am not trying to preach in the desert. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjltuk Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 But frankly try putting an Aristocraft heavyweight behind an MTH GG 1 and you would be surprise at the scale and size diference in both height and width. Pictures please! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAZGRR7315 Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 I run 1:29 and 1:32 together, I just put the longer 100Ton Aristo's in the middle or end of the consist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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PAZGRR7315 Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 The SW is a modified USAT with MTH Protosound 2; the 1st car is MTH 1:32, 2nd MDC etc., the PP&L are 1:29 ARISTO 100 Ton hoppers. Followed by 3 2-by ARISTO hoppers and a 1:29 ARISTO brass caboose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom51 Posted February 11, 2016 Author Share Posted February 11, 2016 While I was at the big train show this weekend, I spoke to a MTH company man and he indicated that the BIG BOY is in production and they will be ready in May or June for shipment. This is the second time I have contacted the company, this time in person and both times I was told the same thing, I hope it is true and they seem to be honest in this respect. I cant wait till I get mine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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