rbrown7713 Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 I am stretching an MTH passenger and the trucks to make it more scale. Here is the start of the trucks. Stretched 1/2 inch. Made them to hook up to the stock MTH bolster, so using all stock parts except the side frames. Made a revised mold for the side frames. More pictures later. Bob. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayman4449 Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 Excellent Ron. Going to enjoy following this project for sure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteamPower4ever Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 Me too. Very interesting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enginear joe Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 Wow, I didn't realize they were that short! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbrown7713 Posted April 22, 2015 Author Share Posted April 22, 2015 Yes, they are supposed to be 85 ft. I'll have to stretch it 4 5/16 inches to make them correct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteamPower4ever Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 Yes, they are supposed to be 85 ft. I'll have to stretch it 4 5/16 inches to make them correct. That's exactly why I didn't want them in the first place. This might be an alternative to my own fairly ambitious ideas about hi-levels ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbrown7713 Posted April 22, 2015 Author Share Posted April 22, 2015 Here is what I've got. The section by itself is the one that I will be making a mold of. I am making it longer than 4 5/16 so that I can match the windows on either side of the car. The window are not spaced evenly, so when the part is made, I will have to cut the sides differently so that I can preserve the shape of the windows. I also will have to fill maybe one or two windows. I cut the section to accommodate the 1/4 movement of the bolster so that the longer truck will match the skirt opening. At the other end, the bolster mount will have to be moved toward the center 1/4 inch. Well now to make a mold for the 4 5/16 inch fill piece, I will keep you updated. Bob. It kinda hurt to slice open such a nice looking model, oh well had to make it 85 ft. Also I will have to make a mold for the roof section. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enginear joe Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 Can I ask what you make your molds from? I was using Alumilite mold rubber and I keep getting bubbles that wreck the mold. I have tried different mixing and pouring techniques. I didn't try a vacuum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbrown7713 Posted April 22, 2015 Author Share Posted April 22, 2015 I am using 74-20 urethane, no bubbles, no vacuum needed, from BITY mold supplies. There are many videos from these people to help you. The 74-20 urethane is cheaper than silicon and I like working with it. I haven't had any bubble problem and it pours nicely. WWW.brickintheyard.com When you mix, try to mix slowly so you don't whip any bubbles into the mix, pour away from your part and let the urethane run into the cavities, that might help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enginear joe Posted April 23, 2015 Share Posted April 23, 2015 thank you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbrown7713 Posted April 24, 2015 Author Share Posted April 24, 2015 Here is the finished 41n truck minus the paint. I have stretched it 1/2 inch and tried to use most of the stock parts from the original. The sprung function also works. The only change, besides making a mold for the frame, is the stabilizer bar is also stretched a bit by using tubing to fit around the stock one, and remounting the air canister and drilling new holes and then gluing. Here are some pics, first the new one and the stock one. Also, I made new spring pads and made new springs, but I am going to try to use the stock springs. Bob. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbrown7713 Posted April 25, 2015 Author Share Posted April 25, 2015 For those of you that wish to make your own springs, here is how I make mine. They are not functional, just for looks. They are made of aluminum 18 gauge and wound around a 1/4 inch, I believe to be a 14 threads to the inch thread. I mounted this in a tool handle with a peg for starting the wind. I then trim the spring to match the length. Here are some pictures. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbrown7713 Posted April 26, 2015 Author Share Posted April 26, 2015 Here is the painted stretched 41-n passenger truck. Bob. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayman4449 Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 Nice work Bob. I'm going to remember the technique as well for making springs, brilliant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbrown7713 Posted April 26, 2015 Author Share Posted April 26, 2015 Thanks, even though this is quite a job, it's not as difficult as making everything from scratch as I have done before. Doing it this way saves lots of time. I am now preparing to make the mold for the section to be added to the MTH passenger car. Making this mold will be new to me, because I have always made the car in sections, not three sides at once, so this will be a challenge. Bob. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteamPower4ever Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 Looks good, Bob. Keep it up - and keep the pictures coming ... Jens Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbrown7713 Posted April 27, 2015 Author Share Posted April 27, 2015 OK I will. The next pictures that I will post will be of the mold for the extension section for the car, when I figure it out. I think I almost have it, starting tomorrow morning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbrown7713 Posted April 28, 2015 Author Share Posted April 28, 2015 Steam power forever, are there any pictures that you can think of that I might have that you would like to see? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteamPower4ever Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 Nothing in particular. Show us what you want - that's usually the most inspiring Jens Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbrown7713 Posted April 28, 2015 Author Share Posted April 28, 2015 Here are some pictures of the mold for the center section. This will be a 3 piece urethane mold and for the inside will be plastic sheets to form the inside of the walls and the floor. What is nice about the splined box is that a wall can be removed for access or pouring. The sides will be poured first and then the floor. Bob. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbrown7713 Posted May 1, 2015 Author Share Posted May 1, 2015 The making of the mold was a success. I poured the first two sides, took the box apart, removed the two bottom fences and then reassembled and then poured the bottom part of the mold. The nice part of the design of the splined mold box, is that one side can be removed for access. In this case to pour the last part of the mold. Next post will be actually making the part. Bob. Here are some pics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbrown7713 Posted May 1, 2015 Author Share Posted May 1, 2015 For those of you that have thought about stretching an MTH passenger car, you probably have figured out that it would take two cars to do this operation, whether or not you just do it once, or you make molds as I am doing so that it can be repeated. The difference is that once molds are made, the operation can be repeated with buying just one passenger car. Like I say, you have probably figured this out, but I just thought I would mention it. The rest of the mold is setting up right now, I will be able to demold after 4 hours and I will post the final pictures of the mold before I make some parts. I am curious, is anyone doing this?, I would appreciate some response, if you are, If you have any questions, just let me know. Bob. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbrown7713 Posted May 2, 2015 Author Share Posted May 2, 2015 There is one final step for making stretched PS, MTH passenger cars. Now that I have made a mold for the smooth side car section, the next step is to make one for the fluted side car. One advantage of the design of the mold and mold box, is that one section of the mold is the same, the bottom, so this time, when I cut the pattern out of a fluted car, and position in the mold bottom, all I have to do, since I am using the same mold box, is to pour the sides, one less step. So there are many advantages in using the splined mold box. The next set of pictures will be the construction of the fluted car extension and the smooth side extension itself. Bob. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbrown7713 Posted May 3, 2015 Author Share Posted May 3, 2015 I want to make a correction of a statement that I previously made. I said that it would take two cars to make one, that is not true. In order to fill some windows in the added 4 5/16 section, if you make a mold of several of the windows of the car and use the parts from them, the original car stays intact and the pattern can be used to restore the original car. I goofed and didn't make a mold of the windows, so I destroyed, unnecessarily, the car. I suppose, if I wanted to go to some additional work I could recover the original car, but I don't know if I want to. So, to sum up, only one car is necessary to make parts for the stretch. Bob. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbrown7713 Posted May 3, 2015 Author Share Posted May 3, 2015 The fluted pattern is ready for the rest of the mold. The bottom was already made, so I didn't have to remake that. I cut the windows from the first pattern so that I wouldn't have to remake the windows, so it is ready to pour the sides. Here are some pics. Bob. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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